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Isabelle Plante's avatar

Wow @Ante you’re all over the place with your whataboutism.

1. Clearly you haven’t listened to Afterlives of Ancient Egypt or read much of Kara’s writings if you think she only cares about the elites+

2. You cannot divorce Hatshepsut from her gender for argument’s sake! Will we ever know for sure that her image, her titles, etc. were removed simply because she was a woman who dared to be a king? Of course not. But it doesn’t change the fact that she was a female king co-ruling with a male king and that this was quite rare in Egyptian history. Ignoring that fact is akin to erasing her yet again.

Jeesh. Read again. I fail to see where Kara argued that matriarchal societies were peaceful utopias with rainbows and unicorns. What are you even talking about?

Ante Skrabalo's avatar

Know what is also interesting? The workers' graves st Amarna. Unlike the elite workers who had built the Pyramids at Giza, these were some of the sickest, most broken people in all of Egypt's history. Extremely extractive towards own population. But this is unimportant to you, because Nefertiti, Meritaten, Matriarchy Good! Who cares about those workers, they were not actual people and serves them right for being Patriarchal...!

Excuse me, but that is just silly.

Far as what matriarchy really looked like: the Neolithic people of Catalhöyük were matrilocal and probably matriarchal. Some 25% of remains show healed skull fractures

Sure looks like that Matriarchy thingy was just as violent as the Patriarchy thingy.

Celts were also matrilocal. They also seem to show traces of matriarchy, although this got flipped at some point in history. But traces remained. The way Celts showed submission to a chieftain was by sucking on his breast nipples. Makes zero partiarchal sense, but seems to be the nastiest thing a woman could envision doing to another woman she hated. Celts also practiced human sacrifice. So where did all that peaceful Matriarchy go?

Was never that peaceful in the first place.

Also, turns out even deepest Patriarchy regularly made use of matriarchal-type violence: in a lot of "primitive" tribes, killing of captives was considered women's work. But they were all nice, gentle and matriarchal when doing it, those captives barely felt they were even being slaughtered and peacefully fell asleep, unilke what would have happened had they been slaughtered by toxic men instead... /s

Patriarchy and Matriarchy are both restrictive bullshit by definition; only complementarity makes a lick of sense there. And pardon my French, you seem to be the best proof there is for that.

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